Working Class Heroes?

Conor McCabe has an excellent ongoing series on the working class's place in Irish history and arts. His latest installment focuses on Conor's affinity with the English arts, suggesting that the Irish working classes are better described by English representations of the English working classes than by any Irish works. As Conor puts it,

"The problem is that I grew up in a working class area, but one with virtually no expression in Irish mainstream culture. In order to find similarities, we had to look to British drama. This was for very simple reasons. British drama has a strong working class identity to it.

"Whereas on RTE in the 1970s, the Irish working class were breaking out of Borstals or nicking TVs, living in slums and dying of poverty, on British TV and with British cinema, we had teenage boys obsessed with cornflakes passing under bridges, and trying to learn Italian so they could kiss the girl they fancied. On British TV, the working class lived…. On RTE they died with their (stolen) boots on."

This is interesting stuff. I do wonder, though, if Conor is not missing something in his discussion.

The tenor of his threads seems to be - and I hope I'm not misrepresenting him here - is that Ireland lacked a positive set of icons, whether in scholarship or in the arts) of the working classes because of because of the prejudice of the people who were recording events and because of the biases of professional historians (see here).

He's probably quite correct that the Irish working classes haven't had been sufficiently represented in the national story (which is really centered on a romantic vision of small-town morality), but I think he's mistaken in his view of what's going on in England. What he's pretty much missing, in short, is politics.

I doubt very much that the arts or academia in Britain are any more representative of the working classes than here in Ireland, and it's certainly not like English culture is lacking in snobbery. That said, the celebration of the working classes, or of working class culture, is very often an expression of political solidarity. Inclusivity does not exist in a vacuum. It is a function of politics, most visibly of socialism. Kes is the almost archetypical example of this, but one could also point elsewhere, for instance to the motives of many social historians, to see that the celebration of working class culture was also a rallying call.

Which brings me on to a second point. I think Conor underestimates the differences that ideological ferment produces between a working class identity like I suggest existed in England and that which Conor describes in Dublin.

It's important, first to recall that identity is distinctive from culture. Whereas culture happens in the background of people's lives, shaping their worldviews and behaviour, identity is the self-conscious expression of a group (or rather, of individuals claiming justifiably or not to represent a group).

As Bernard Williams pointed out, working class identity is unique and ought not to be considered as akin to other societal identity (like, say, self-conscious expressions of black culture). Working class identity specifically looks forward to the dissolution of the group, to the end of the working classes as a class. Whether this will happen through revolution or aspiration (in its social democratic and Thatcherite ways) is beside the point. The identity is not quite about celebrating itself or seeking inclusion of its distinct viewpoint. Rather it is about overturning the social order so that they working classes disappear (again, as a mass or as individuals).

Ireland probably doesn't have much in the way of a consciousness of working class culture because Ireland doesn't have much in the way of an ideological polity. Without a left, there was very little in the way of a requirement to address poor people on the lines that Ken Loach has done. Rather, poverty becomes simply a focus for charity. The problem isn't middle class historians. It's living in a conservative Catholic society.

I really am enjoying Conor's series and I hope it continues. But I can't help but think that, but putting his narrative across as an attempt to celebrate Ireland's working classes (as a ceaseless phenomenon), he's highlighting the degree to which he is a product of our culture. In which case, perhaps he ought not to look to Britain for identity. Instead, he should look to our conservative Catholic compatriots along the Mediterranean.

Hi Ciaran, thanks very much

Hi Ciaran, thanks very much for your critique! Maybe to clarify a couple of points. first of all, I am not looking - or calling for us to look - towards Britain at all. what I'm saying is that in the absence of any form of recognisable Irish working class culture within Irish mainstream culture, as a child I found myself drawn to British working class culture - but that this has problems as it does not reflect my own experience. To quote myself:

"For all of the working class tropes and resonance, Dublin is not England. The picture that opens this post - the one of my brother and myself c.1978 - is an Irish working class photo. It doesn’t have any resonance with any of the British dramas and movies I’ve already mentioned. Nor have I seen its contemporary in any British drama. My brother is wearing that suit because he is making his confirmation. It’s not just a working class image, it’s an Irish catholic working class image. And there are hundreds of thousands of these photos in Dublin, and across the island. That in itself is a unique cultural trope - more so than any Celtic mystic or farmer,or Edwardian ashplant, or Yeats’ poem."

I recognise the problems in looking towards British working class culture for symbols of recognition, because a huge part of my upbringing lies in the fact that I was brought up a Catholic. Now, this needs to be explored, because I am not the only Irish working class catholic in the country. There is a huge swade of our (Irish) culture that is just not examined in any critical way, and that is to our detriment.

I am not talking about British working class culture or how the mainstream in Britain reacts to British working class culture, but rather, the fact that as a child I simply had NO Irish working class "stories" in the culture around me - the only place where I could pick up anything even resembling my experience was off British television. If I could speak Spanish, I'm sure I would have looked to spanish TV - but I speak only english,so the BBC, channel 4, and UTV it was.

Just briefly, on the issue of Irish history. I am a labour historian, that's my full-time job, so to speak, (my only income, anyway),and as such I am hugely aware of the gap in knowledge between the printed history we have, and the reality in the archives. My area of speciality is the revolutionary period, roughly from 1911 to 1924. now, apart from Jim Larkin and the lockout, this is a period seen by most people as an empty one for Irish labour - indeed, it is usually summed up with the phrase "Labour Must Wait". Now, I know this to be completely wrong. It is, in fact, one of the most dense and dynamic periods in Irish labour history - and yet, where is it in mainstream historial discourse? It simply doesn't exist.

The problem is that we then have people talking about the working class and the left in Ireland and Labour waiting and they are basing it on the writings of historians that I know are wrong - and I know where they are wrong.

all I can say is, give me time and I'll get around to the historians in the blog, but for now I'm happy to tease out cultural issues. If you're interested, I summed up my stand on Irish labour history in an earlier blog. The link is here:

http://www.irishelection.com/02/irish-labour-history-is-a-strange-fish/

Thanks again for your critique. It really is great to know that even if I haven't entirely convinced you of my points (yet!), at least they seem to have held your interest, and sure I can't really ask more than that. Cheers.

Thanks for the response

Thanks for the response Conor.  And thanks for quoting yourself back to me: I was cross-eyed after a rather mundane admin task in work yesterday so I don't consider my post the most, um, considered.

I certainly ought to have emphasised that you're not saying that Ireland=England in terms of working class culture but rather that you looked towards England as a child despite the differences between your working class Catholic experience and the industrial (perhaps Protestant?) experiences represented in England.

I really look forward to your discussion on 'labour must wait.' Like most, I'm not particularly well informed on the issue, though I am one of the few who has at least heard of the 1919 Limerick Soviet!

All that said, I think much of what I said stands. First, I am discomfited by your talking about expressing working class culture in the same way as one might talk about expressing other minority cultures (Black, gay etc). Working class culture is different. All expressed cultures, or rather identity expressions, are in some sense political (as I wrote here), but working class cultural expressions tend to seek to overthrow the social order.

As you point out, this wasn't precisely missing in Ireland. But it wasn't the dominant narrative. The class divide is the dominant political narrative in England though. I suppose my point is that this is the key to why the English arts and English scholarship attend to the working classes so much more on the other side of the Irish sea than they do here. Come to think of it, whereas questions of the social were subsumed in the national question in Irish history, questions of inter-cultural ferment may have been subsumed in English stories about the social in England. In short, I'm not sure that English culture is more inclusive in quite the way you say it is. I suspect, though perhaps to less of a degree than I put it in the post, that cultural innovations are tracking political ones both here and there.

On Spain, well I suspect that the Irish working class experience looks more like the Spanish or Italian one than it looks like the English one. But I'm not sure we'd get much in the way of valuable insights from Spanish television! 

Keep them rolling: it's a great series. And I'm more than prepared to be convinced. And sure where I'm not convinced I'm probably wrong!

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