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		<title>Comment on Light touch, but not TOO light touch by Irish Election &#187; Ireland: 3% less dodgy than the Cayman Islands</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irish Election &#187; Ireland: 3% less dodgy than the Cayman Islands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More from Ciarán at Draw Breath (flagged in comments) on the delicate dance this strategy requires with our EU partners.   Share and [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Light touch, but not TOO light touch by Ciarán</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciarán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-456&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@John &lt;/a&gt; 
Thanks for pointing that out to me John: I&#039;d missed it. I&#039;ve updated the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-456" rel="nofollow">@John </a><br />
Thanks for pointing that out to me John: I&#8217;d missed it. I&#8217;ve updated the post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Light touch, but not TOO light touch by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the IT article, but the Companies Amendment Bill which was passed last week facilitates the transfer of funds from  third countries to Ireland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the IT article, but the Companies Amendment Bill which was passed last week facilitates the transfer of funds from  third countries to Ireland.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black White and Blue by Ciarán</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciarán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought of it like that Hugh: you&#039;re right! Very strange indeed. Thanks for the reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought of it like that Hugh: you&#8217;re right! Very strange indeed. Thanks for the reply.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black White and Blue by Hugh Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think it’s more or less possible to separate a civic political attitude from cultural predilections&lt;/i&gt;

So do I, really, and it&#039;s plainly true that many of the activities of &#039;civic unionists&#039; are not especially grounded in unionism as such. But as you say, the difficulty arises in trying to tether the two things together, since I can&#039;t see how unionism can ever be synonymous with civism. There&#039;s a certain irony in how the apparently unconditional commitment to the union of &#039;really existing&#039; civic unionism contrasts with the sort of religion-based unionism espoused by the likes of Ian Paisley. As I understand it, his unionism is actually conditional on the Union maintaining a particular character, that is, if the Union were subordinated to the &#039;Roman Church&#039;, then that would be the end of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think it’s more or less possible to separate a civic political attitude from cultural predilections</i></p>
<p>So do I, really, and it&#8217;s plainly true that many of the activities of &#8216;civic unionists&#8217; are not especially grounded in unionism as such. But as you say, the difficulty arises in trying to tether the two things together, since I can&#8217;t see how unionism can ever be synonymous with civism. There&#8217;s a certain irony in how the apparently unconditional commitment to the union of &#8216;really existing&#8217; civic unionism contrasts with the sort of religion-based unionism espoused by the likes of Ian Paisley. As I understand it, his unionism is actually conditional on the Union maintaining a particular character, that is, if the Union were subordinated to the &#8216;Roman Church&#8217;, then that would be the end of that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black White and Blue by Ciarán</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciarán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that I entirely agree with you on the principle of it Hugh. I think it&#039;s more or less possible to separate a civic political attitude from cultural predelictions. It would be difficult, since civic unionism, or any sort of constitutional patriotism would require a completely conditional attitude towards states. And that&#039;s where you&#039;re right on NI&#039;s civic unionists in practice: they would only truly be civic if they said that they are loyal to the UK only insofar as it is the best vehicle for delivering social justice, equality, liberty or what have you. A true civic unionism would say that loyalty to any particular state is under constant review and, if a better arrangement came along, they&#039;d be off (costs of exit being equal etc). In my experience most civic unionists (and other kinds of civic nationalist) baulk at this.

That said, my very badly put point here is that Checkov - who makes an admirable effort to stake out a civic position - seems to shy away from actual debates on what &lt;i&gt;precisely&lt;/i&gt; the UK&#039;s constitutional settlement ought to entail. The UK is obviously already quite variegated and diverse in its institutional arrangements and yet - by his own lights - it&#039;s obviously still a Union. It&#039;s bizarre then that, instead of exploring the merits any specific institutional change, he prefers to force the issue by making it black and white. I don&#039;t think that rings true to Checkov&#039;s own expressed ideals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I entirely agree with you on the principle of it Hugh. I think it&#8217;s more or less possible to separate a civic political attitude from cultural predelictions. It would be difficult, since civic unionism, or any sort of constitutional patriotism would require a completely conditional attitude towards states. And that&#8217;s where you&#8217;re right on NI&#8217;s civic unionists in practice: they would only truly be civic if they said that they are loyal to the UK only insofar as it is the best vehicle for delivering social justice, equality, liberty or what have you. A true civic unionism would say that loyalty to any particular state is under constant review and, if a better arrangement came along, they&#8217;d be off (costs of exit being equal etc). In my experience most civic unionists (and other kinds of civic nationalist) baulk at this.</p>
<p>That said, my very badly put point here is that Checkov &#8211; who makes an admirable effort to stake out a civic position &#8211; seems to shy away from actual debates on what <i>precisely</i> the UK&#8217;s constitutional settlement ought to entail. The UK is obviously already quite variegated and diverse in its institutional arrangements and yet &#8211; by his own lights &#8211; it&#8217;s obviously still a Union. It&#8217;s bizarre then that, instead of exploring the merits any specific institutional change, he prefers to force the issue by making it black and white. I don&#8217;t think that rings true to Checkov&#8217;s own expressed ideals.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black White and Blue by Hugh Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realise I may have done something rather rude there, i.e. coming up with the idea of a &#039;fully civic&#039; position that perhaps could not exist in reality. But it is the writer who makes the claim that civic politics and cultural identity can be separated. Maybe they can, but then this means that civic politics ought to be able to function without any particular cultural affiliations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realise I may have done something rather rude there, i.e. coming up with the idea of a &#8216;fully civic&#8217; position that perhaps could not exist in reality. But it is the writer who makes the claim that civic politics and cultural identity can be separated. Maybe they can, but then this means that civic politics ought to be able to function without any particular cultural affiliations.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black White and Blue by Hugh Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble with this &#039;civic unionist&#039; position is that a fully civic position would not require any accompanying unionism. That is, a fully civic position does not require you to be a unionist, in terms of culture, ontology, national affiliation or whatever. For the fully civic position, the accoutrements of unionism would appear as a form of embarrassing surplus. 

The point being that however one attempts to stake out a purely rational basis for a unionist position, the political effort always seems to be grounded in the a set of nationalist cultural practices (proudly displaying Union Jacks everywhere, saying &#039;Her Majesty&#039; with solemn affection, and so on), leavened with a surprising amount of highfalutin identitarian whimsy about &#039;Britishness&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with this &#8216;civic unionist&#8217; position is that a fully civic position would not require any accompanying unionism. That is, a fully civic position does not require you to be a unionist, in terms of culture, ontology, national affiliation or whatever. For the fully civic position, the accoutrements of unionism would appear as a form of embarrassing surplus. </p>
<p>The point being that however one attempts to stake out a purely rational basis for a unionist position, the political effort always seems to be grounded in the a set of nationalist cultural practices (proudly displaying Union Jacks everywhere, saying &#8216;Her Majesty&#8217; with solemn affection, and so on), leavened with a surprising amount of highfalutin identitarian whimsy about &#8216;Britishness&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A New Twist in the Government&#8217;s Stimulus Package? by nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t it make the Southern government look even more incompetent when Ireland&#039;s most important rail link is out of action for a good three months? Does this ever happen to the Calais-Paris line, or the Milan-Rome line? Unbelievable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t it make the Southern government look even more incompetent when Ireland&#8217;s most important rail link is out of action for a good three months? Does this ever happen to the Calais-Paris line, or the Milan-Rome line? Unbelievable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where&#8217;s Wally (Street)? by Ciarán</title>
		<link>http://orcid.net/blog/2009/08/14/wheres-wally-street/comment-page-1/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciarán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-391&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Mel Dubnick &lt;/a&gt; 
Sorry Mel I don&#039;t understand. How would Obama move into the redistributive arena? Mobilise the young to argue the toss against the boomers? Send Sarah Silverman back down to Florida, this time with a pillow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-391" rel="nofollow">@Mel Dubnick </a><br />
Sorry Mel I don&#8217;t understand. How would Obama move into the redistributive arena? Mobilise the young to argue the toss against the boomers? Send Sarah Silverman back down to Florida, this time with a pillow?</p>
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